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Post by rhurst »

should have tested this new feature before releasing it
Agreed, any professional software engineer would have to agree with that. But still, it is a free project and thus there is that underlying theme that mileage will vary and its team is not accountable of its use (their stance has been if you don't like it, you can always ask for your money back!! :P ). As much of a technical feat VICE is, its team must be made up of a different kind of software engineer -- clearly, their UI is indicative that none of them write applications for a living.

And like yourself, you're contributing useful code examples on your time that other people have for the most part appreciated. Code with clear explanations, such a rare combination nowadays. I just read this thread, and I am at a loss where these differing perspectives are leading. I would say, "thank you", and deal with its implementation in the variety of ways made possible. My experience with 100s of successful software engineers is that ALL of them end up personalizing inherited code to their liking anyways.

So, I too stumbled across the new paste feature in VICE. I personally think it sucks, not from the well-documented lack of PETSCII support, but it is an annoying feature one can easily invoke without meaning to. There are too many tools (again, well documented) to use outside of VICE that work on the host as intended. Why introduce a buggy paste feature ... as a convenience for what? A code snippet? Get real.

For me, I am finding VICE a little long in the tooth. Between using real hardware with modern storage devices such as uIEC/SD and the progress made in the MESS project ... VICE ends up being a debugging tool for me only. And if that team wanted to do something special, it REALLY needs work in there -- many bugs with a terrible UI. Still, it's the best option I have available, for today at least.
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Post by orion70 »

I agree with rhurst about VICE limitations. My experience is to use it as a fast tool for software testing, together with TOK64 to jump between prg and txt. I think that they implemented this copy and paste feature - BTW, you can right-click instead of ctrl-V to paste - only for single lines of code, or even less (just an aid for beginners?). I don't think it will ever be useful for entire programs.
Real hardware is definitely the best for ready-to-run, finished and tested software. Just like flying a real airplane after hours flight sim: slower in setting everything up, sometimes unexpectedly complicated, but way more exciting. :wink:
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Post by carlsson »

Technically speaking, I wonder how hard it would be to hook petcat onto e.g. xvic in such way you'd press a hot key from the emulator to open a new editor window where you type or paste ASCII text. Then you have a tokenize button which would feed the content straight into the emulated memory. If I recall correctly, petcat will accept both upper and lower case and use {Shift-A} syntax for special cases. At least the separate editor window could have a checkbox for tokenize in capital or lower case, and it would feel less like a kludge.

Speaking of it, the monitor window allows copy to clipboard but not yet pasting. The function to mark and use Ctrl-C to copy text is a bit undocumented though. I didn't learn about it until Spiro wrote a series of VICE articles on his blog.
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