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FE3 respin - SD or micro SD card?
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 2:32 am
by srowe
I'm currently reworking the design of the Final Expansion 3 cart in KiCad. Partly this is a learning exercise in how to use the program but I'm also planning to produce a slightly updated version incorporating the fix for the crosstalk issue that was done recently.
I'm using mostly SMD components, some parts are cheaper/easier to find in that footprint and, with a bit of patience, it's not that hard to hand solder them. It also makes the board layout less crowded.
One further change I'm considering: should the new design use a micro SD? Full-size SD cards are getting harder to source, and I've had problems with poor quality micro SD to SD adapters.
Re: FE3 respin - SD or micro SD card?
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 6:21 am
by tlr
MicroSD makes sense IMO. Allows you to make a more compact design as well. Can you still source the CPLD?
Re: FE3 respin - SD or micro SD card?
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 6:38 am
by srowe
tlr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 6:21 am
MicroSD makes sense IMO. Allows you to make a more compact design as well.
That's another reason for going for microSD.
Can you still source the CPLD?
Mouser seem to have them available at a reasonable price (£3.50/€4/$4.50).
Re: FE3 respin - SD or micro SD card?
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 8:15 am
by Wilson
IMHO coupling storage with RAM expansion is unnecessary if not undesirable.
I don't think we'll ever have a "final" storage solution. SD2IEC has been impressively stable over the last ~15 years, but even today there are other, albeit C64-centric, options on the market.
That said, I do understand that the majority of consumers are attracted to a simple all-in-one solution, and micro-SD is totally fine

Fixing the cross-talk issue would be huge for the utility of the FE3. That sounds great!
Re: FE3 respin - SD or micro SD card?
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 10:53 am
by javierglez
For storage I prefer USB pendrives like in the 1541Ultimate2. I don't know if this brings technical issues.
Re: FE3 respin - SD or micro SD card?
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:30 am
by groepaz
It's much easier to interface with SD cards than with USB (A bit of bitbanging SPI vs an entire USB stack).
I prefer regular SD cards any day for that matter. micro SD is just too fiddly to use. And too easy to misplace and never to be found ever again

Re: FE3 respin - SD or micro SD card?
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:29 pm
by srowe
Here's my initial attempt at a schematic. I think it's reasonably neat given I'm new to KiCad (and schematic design in general).
Re: FE3 respin - SD or micro SD card?
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 2:15 pm
by Mike
Y1 should be 32.768
kHz.

Re: FE3 respin - SD or micro SD card?
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 2:30 pm
by srowe
Mike wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 2:15 pm
Y1 should be 32.768
kHz.
Oops, yes. Clock would be interesting otherwise.