WIP: Bubble Bobble

[MrSterlingBS]

Hi,

i think the Commodore VIC20: Software Sprite Stack library is the best address for this.
We have no in game scrolling, except when the level changes and I can do that in Assembler.
Or see the book "Programing the VIC" from Compute! on page 390 and 400.

I found a comparison video from BB on YouTube. If the other 6502 systems can do it, then our VIC-20 can do it too!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgynBsgwSyI

[scalz8]

Hi,

i think the Commodore VIC20: Software Sprite Stack library is the best address for this.
We have no in game scrolling, except when the level changes and I can do that in Assembler.
Or see the book "Programing the VIC" from Compute! on page 390 and 400.

I found a comparison video from BB on YouTube. If the other 6502 systems can do it, then our VIC-20 can do it too!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgynBsgwSyI

Hi, nice link. Thanks MrSterlingBS! There are, indeed, several strategies adopted to bypass the limits of some of those systems, which could be replicated on our Vic20.
The worst version anyway...is the Spectrum one....!!! While the minimum reachable version could be the AppleII one, which looks quite bad, but it's just as a minimum target.. I like the ideas in the BBC version which sounds reasonable. Also the number of monsters could be reduced, such as the platforms, if needed..

[beamrider]

Hi,

i think the Commodore VIC20: Software Sprite Stack library is the best address for this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgynBsgwSyI

Yes, I think that would be a good fit, Popeye and Pooyan also both used that (Popeye in heavily modified form to allow 3x2 character sprites). Also, TRSE maybe another candidate.

[beamrider]

I like the ideas in the BBC version which sounds reasonable. Also the number of monsters could be reduced, such as the platforms, if needed..

Yes, that is what you should be aiming for although the beeb runs at twice the speed of the Vic. If you went for Multicolor mode that helps as your objects move a minimum of two pixels at a time.

I might be able to do the music and sound effects if someone wants to take it on.

[pixel]

Those two sprites seem to have sparked some motivation. How about some more?

[AndyH]

Hewco UK, who for sure is reading this now .... also made a nice video with the soundtrack, few years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myEIysrkwsA

I found a nice piano note key (A, C, etc) listing for it which made converting it really easy.

I did consider making this game myself, having done many remakes of old favourite games on Windows back in the 2000's, but these days it is a bit of a minefield to work on remakes as they are once again popular and have some value for the owners.

I also didn't know how I'd solve the problem of drawing and moving so many bubbles around at the time while keeping in one screen refresh (50 fps) or at worst two (25 fps). With more experience, I know how to better deal with that if I were to attempt it today. My advice is to go the full screen bitmap route for something like this and use XOR drawing for the bubbles and the players / monsters, so you can limit redrawing and moving to alternate frames. You can also use tricks like Jetpac uses and erase & draw lines in the sprite characters from bottom up in one operation to reduce the effect of raster refresh collision problems.

With some exceptional recent remakes on the Vic such as Prince of Persia, HERO and Arkanoid (amongst others), it would be great to see Bubble Bobble join that list so good luck and will be watching with interest.

[Mike]

I also didn't know how I'd solve the problem of drawing and moving so many bubbles around at the time while keeping in one screen refresh (50 fps) or at worst two (25 fps).

On the C64, only Bub, Bob and the enemies are done with sprites, at full frame rate. The bubbles are not animated with anything near full framerate, and actually are part of the background graphics.

On the VIC-20, that'd imply having two 'layers' of soft-sprites: the top layer for Bub+Bob+enemies which gets updated more often, and the bottom one which contains the bubbles, again as part of the background. Collisions of the enemies with the bubbles can be handled by checking co-ordinates.

[AndyH]

On the VIC-20, that'd imply having two 'layers' of soft-sprites: the top layer for Bub+Bob+enemies which gets updated more often, and the bottom one which contains the bubbles, again as part of the background. Collisions of the enemies with the bubbles can be handled by checking co-ordinates.

Yea, it's a shame its not speed efficient to have layers, but with some trade-offs the XOR drawing and erasing allows you to achieve the end result. There would be more compromises for multicolour, but you can spread updating the bubbles over several frames while moving other things such as Bub and Bob more frequently.

In this uncompleted game, which is using smaller hires objects, the player is always moving and the baddies moving less often. Collisions are rough distance checks. It looks like everything is moving at a good speed but its all an illusion. Just the colour clashing that is evident from time to time but you notice it less while playing and your focus is on blasting everything.

https://youtu.be/SFPE9BT7Dh4?si=fNoV6UrzUqIRR093&t=31

[pixel]

@beamrider: There's some idea I cannot get rid of. As those few sprites seemed to spark some interest, perhaps many would be grateful for a web editor to bring on a complete set of sprites and charsets. But to be honest: the VIC Screen Designer's user interface is far too complicated for anyone to just roll up her sleeves and jump into being creative. How about something more dedicated to occasions like these, namely an easy-to-use sprite editor, preferably with user account, so people can stash up graphics and coders can just grab them? Spares discussions on about which software to use on which platform (whilst everyone loses motivation). We need something for the spur of the moment, I assume. I'd love something fool proof for myself, to be honest.

[Mike]

[...]

MINIPAINT?

I have used MP on several occasions to design sprite patterns. Here is an example, including a "how to extract the bitmap data":

VicShroom - My first Vic prod

[pixel]

[...]

MINIPAINT?

I have used MP on several occasions to design sprite patterns. Here is an example, including a "how to extract the bitmap data":

VicShroom - My first Vic prod

OK... Was only remembering BASIC extension things about it.

[beamrider]

@beamrider: There's some idea I cannot get rid of. As those few sprites seemed to spark some interest, perhaps many would be grateful for a web editor to bring on a complete set of sprites and charsets. But to be honest: the VIC Screen Designer's user interface is far too complicated for anyone to just roll up her sleeves and jump into being creative. How about something more dedicated to occasions like these, namely an easy-to-use sprite editor, preferably with user account, so people can stash up graphics and coders can just grab them? Spares discussions on about which software to use on which platform (whilst everyone loses motivation). We need something for the spur of the moment, I assume. I'd love something fool proof for myself, to be honest.

I was thinking of rewriting it in React as I need to skill up on that anyway, but don't hold your breath.

I did create another version (with tile-map support) that I used for the smooth scrolling Super Mario demo , but that was even more complicated to use.

What about TRSE doesn't that have a sprite editor?

[AndyH]

Yea, Turbo Rascal's character editor is pretty good too. It's what I've used for my games.

[Mike]

MINIPAINT? [...]

OK... Was only remembering BASIC extension things about it.

You should be very cautious with complaining about 'isolated tools' and 'non-availability of (source) code' in your Manifesto if you otherwise are oblivious of prior art.

[pixel]

MINIPAINT? [...] You should be very cautious with complaining about 'isolated tools' and 'non-availability of (source) code' in your Manifesto if you otherwise are oblivious of prior art.

What? %p I can't get my imagery to picture MINIPAINT with a web interface and user accounts.

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