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Re: Jeff's VIC 20 Book

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2023 2:48 pm
by furroy
Mine should be here next Monday!

Re: Jeff's VIC 20 Book

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 8:59 pm
by CommodoreZ
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Picked up my copy in person at VCF Midwest. I was fortunate enough to have a table next to Jeff, it was a pleasure to meet you sir! I foresee this book becoming an essential part of my VIC experience.

Re: Jeff's VIC 20 Book

Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:05 am
by Witzo
I found Jeff's book when I got the Commodore News Pages in the mail this week, https://commodore-news.com/news/item/11744/en/desktop .
I've ordered it and am looking forward to it!

Re: Jeff's VIC 20 Book

Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:45 pm
by pixel
Just ordered from Lulu...

EDIT: Thanks! Great work!
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p.s.: The board software seems to auto-rotate images.

Re: Jeff's VIC 20 Book

Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2023 3:22 pm
by Jeff-20
pixel wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:45 pm Just ordered from Lulu...
THank you for the support! Lulu is clearly the way to go, I just figured out the Amazon version has frustrating format issues.

BTW, I have had similar orientation issues with phone pics here.

Re: Jeff's VIC 20 Book

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:30 am
by Ghislain
I just ordered a copy from Amazon. I can't wait to get it!

Re: Jeff's VIC 20 Book

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:58 am
by Soloman
I ordered a spirald one! :mrgreen:
It can help me a lot during programming. Now I am looking up things in PDF-books.

Re: Jeff's VIC 20 Book

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 1:36 pm
by akator
I bought myself a spiral version for Christmas. Thanks again for making this book, Jeff!

Re: Jeff's VIC 20 Book

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2024 8:12 am
by Soloman
I received my copy today! :D
Pretty fast. It exceeds my wildest expectations. The table at page 4 and further, that ... is... handy...! DEC, HEX, PETSCII, 6502-instruction and the bit-pattern! I have the spiraled one, so this is terrific while programming the VIC, As I browsed further in the book I was more surprised. Page 26 and 27: the keys belonging the graphics, Jeff knows what an emulator-user needs. Screen adresses, pokes and then page 39: the bits-patterns of reprogramming the characters, It shouldn't get any crazier. And yes it does: examples! Memory maps, instructions, everything is there! And to please is: A set of games with only 5 BASIC-lines. :P
This book is crazy!

What I learned is that an integer-variable takes the same space compared to the floating point: 7 bytes (page 18). I didn't believe it, because I use a lot of %-variables to save space. I tried it out and the book is correct: An integer takes te same amount of space, but during the test I saw it uses one byte more than his floating point-brother. Ah, of course the %-sign. I didn't know that.

Integers in arrays use only 2 bytes per element. Phheww....

Re: Jeff's VIC 20 Book

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2024 8:40 am
by AndyH
Floating point variables are faster too, because I understand basic is converting integer variables to/from floats which slows things down.

It's a shame integer variables aren't smaller and faster in general but I'd guess they went the float route for better support and keeping the basic ROM to 8k they had to make compromises.

I'm a bit rusty on my Commodore v2 basic but I remember watching a video last year from 8bit show and tell that covered this topic, including what you found with integer arrays.

This book is a treasure trove of information, Jeff has done a wonderful job on it and it's had contributions from the community here at denial, it's hard to think what information it's doesn't contain. A definitive must have for Vic 20 owners.

Re: Jeff's VIC 20 Book

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2024 10:31 am
by Soloman
It certainly is. This book is a pearl. I bought it for only putting it beside my keyboard when I am programming the VIC. I didn't expect too much, but I was quite surprised when I received it. It is a treasury of information that I can lookup within seconds. Now I don't have to scroll in reference guides or searching in Compute!'s magazines. Compute! is for reading and learning. This guide is really perfect.

VIC-BASIC... The IBM Basic interpreter of IBM PC in the 80's took a lot more space. So I understand we cannot have everything.

Re: Jeff's VIC 20 Book

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2024 11:59 am
by Jeff-20
Ghislain wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:30 am I just ordered a copy from Amazon. I can't wait to get it!
Soloman wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:58 am I ordered a spirald one! :mrgreen:
It can help me a lot during programming. Now I am looking up things in PDF-books.
akator wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 1:36 pm I bought myself a spiral version for Christmas. Thanks again for making this book, Jeff!
THank you, all! Your support is very much appreciated. I am open to any corrections or suggestions should a future edition be wanted.

Re: Jeff's VIC 20 Book

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 11:13 am
by Soloman
Jeff-20 wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2024 11:59 am
Ghislain wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:30 am I just ordered a copy from Amazon. I can't wait to get it!
Soloman wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:58 am I ordered a spirald one! :mrgreen:
It can help me a lot during programming. Now I am looking up things in PDF-books.
akator wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 1:36 pm I bought myself a spiral version for Christmas. Thanks again for making this book, Jeff!
THank you, all! Your support is very much appreciated. I am open to any corrections or suggestions should a future edition be wanted.
Because the book is so complete, I expect über-completeness. This is a tip: To plot the cursor on position x,y on the screen: X position is on allocation 211 decimal and Y on 214. But it doesn't work because what is needed is a print HOME and a PRINT after POKE 214,Y-1.
It took me hours to find out. I found the answer in Compute!'s Gazette of december 1983. By the way, magnificent magazine.

I use your book everytime I'm programming the VIC-20! I am worried about that one day the book will be worn out. Yesterday I was surprised I read the SYS address for the Scott Adams-adventures-package after loading! :D

Re: Jeff's VIC 20 Book

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 12:08 pm
by Mike
Soloman wrote:This is a tip: To plot the cursor on position x,y on the screen: X position is on allocation 211 decimal and Y on 214. But it doesn't work because what is needed is a print HOME and a PRINT after POKE 214,Y-1.

It took me hours to find out. I found the answer in Compute!'s Gazette of december 1983. By the way, magnificent magazine.
These POKEs to addresses 211 and 214 first of all throw wrenches into the gears of the screen editor. The KERNAL also holds some other state information about the cursor (position/address, on/off state, colour 'under' cursor) which is not automatically synced from changed values in those two addresses.

There exists an official KERNAL call to position the cursor, PLOT ($FFF0), with documented interface (see the VIC-20 Programmer's Reference Guide, p. 197) and you should use that instead.

BTW, Compute!'s Gazette et alii only count as tertiary sources at best (as does Jeff's VIC-20 book).