Denial

English Invader wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:47 pm I've mentioned this before but I think the acid test for a modern display is how it fares in game with something like Galaga - black background with red or blue colours. Are you seeing the blue/red clearly or are you struggling? A lot of people see the boot-up screen and think "Oh, wonderful!" but you really do need to kick the tyres if you intend to actually use the system.

I haven't actually tried hooking up the VIC to a modern TV but I know from other systems that it will be a waste of time trying it with composite and I'm yet to be convinced by S-Video. Unless the system has RGB-Scart I won't even bother hooking up to a modern TV.

English Invader wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:35 am

English Invader wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:47 pm I've mentioned this before but I think the acid test for a modern display is how it fares in game with something like Galaga - black background with red or blue colours. Are you seeing the blue/red clearly or are you struggling? A lot of people see the boot-up screen and think "Oh, wonderful!" but you really do need to kick the tyres if you intend to actually use the system.

I haven't actually tried hooking up the VIC to a modern TV but I know from other systems that it will be a waste of time trying it with composite and I'm yet to be convinced by S-Video. Unless the system has RGB-Scart I won't even bother hooking up to a modern TV.

I just broke the habit of a lifetime and tried out the C64 on a flatscreen through composite and was pleasantly surprised. I tested with Berzerk Redux and Space Taxi (both games have black backgrounds with other colours wandering around like Galaga) and was able to play them both fine without issue. I also played Mayhem in Monsterland for a bit and again, fine. I haven't tried the VIC-20 yet but I don't see how it would be any different to the C64. It's not the best picture and the image comes across a little bit smudgy but fully playable so far. It's early days but I'm going to keep playing and I'll let you guys know if any problems come up. The VIC will get a run soon but for now I'm enjoying the C64.

The TV I'm using is a Pansonic TX-L32XM6B. It's a TV I inherited from my grandfather when he died last year at the age of 91 and it has a lot of legacy ports and features that make it useful for running old computers and game consoles:
https://www.panasonic.com/uk/support/di ... specs.html

JonBrawn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 6:30 pm So, has anybody tried using a RetroTink 2X Pro with composite video from a VIC-20 (Not a C-64 - the NTSC produced by a VIC is "more special" than that produced by a C-64).

• The S-Video works flawlessly with my VIC-20, Atari 800XL, and Sega Genesis/32X/Sega CD. When I first got the RetroTink I tried composite and it also worked well for those systems, but the S-Video definitely looks better.
• It had serious issues with PlayStation 1. At best it displayed without color, but about half the time it wouldn't lock onto a signal at all. I tried with 3 different PS1 systems and several different cables, it was the same across all of them. My old Chinese Tendak upscaler still handled PS1 fine so for a while I used that. Recently I bought a separate Hyperkin HDMI upscaler for the PS1 that works great, basically doing what I hoped the RetroTink would.
• The RetroTink couldn't handle the changing video sync from the Atari 2600 and frequently dropped the signal (black screen). I eventually gave up on that and have continued using the old Tendak for original 2600 hardware. My alternative is a Hyperkin RetroN 77, which already has HDMI output so no need for an upscaler, and it works and plays amazingly.
• My Dreamcast already has a HDMI cable which simply outputs the Dreamcast's VGA 640x480 to HDMI. It looks amazing.