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I would start down at the metal. What's a transistor/gate. What does an adder look like. What's an ALU, data bus, address bus, control bus. Now that bits and bytes make sense, then I'd continue with assembly.

Thanks, all! I understand hardware pretty well (I used to work on government range systems), so I am focusing there to go "low-to-high" in a manner of speaking. -OGM

In this thread here, another recent thread about "Recommendations for VIC-20 assembly tutorial[s], tools" already had been mentioned.

In that other thread you will find the link to my VICMON primer. That one specifically aims to make the bridge between a high level language (here, BASIC) and machine language, which is exactly what you are asking for.

Equip yourself with any of the available reference books of the 6502 instruction set and try out the examples in the thread. They contain a good lot of standard idioms and that should give you an idea what machine language is about.

Monitors give you a direct access to machine language quite akin to the interactive use of BASIC. Once you have grasped the basics there, the transition to symbolic assemblers to build bigger programs is natural and welcome.

I have been trying to use wAx2 with VICE and I cannot get the dratted thing to settle into memory. I found a link to a GitHub repo with .PRG and .CRT files and the wAx2 manual, but no amount of persuading seems to get VICE to be willing to install it as a cartridge.

I am sure, as usual, I am missing something elementary here. As usual

Out of interest and as something I've never really used. What's the benefits of using a monitor rather than just going straight to an assembler and using the VICE monitor.

beamrider wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 2:41 am Out of interest and as something I've never really used. What's the benefits of using a monitor rather than just going straight to an assembler and using the VICE monitor.

It makes you a tough boy by over-complicating about everything? Something remotely ca65 compatible I'd find interesting.

Hi all,

Everyone has been giving quite good recommendations, so I guess I would suggest someone who is interested in assembler try all of them and then they have to figure out which one works for them.

For myself here's my suggestion for starting off with assembler on the 6502:

Book - 1985 Assembly language for kids (Commodore 64) - by William B. Sanders

My setup for coding:
KickAss (kick assembler - works using Java so it should run on anything that supports it)
I use Kickass because I like the Relaunch 64 IDE.
Warning: The Kick assembler is more C like in its commenting/instruction separation and it allows for instructions to be written next to each other. So its not standard (Please take note).

Anyway greetings all

H

P.S. Below are some REAL exotic books for the computer enthusiast: Yeah Webassembly exists but this is for the masochist who wants to attempt it in X64

Happy "almost-end-of-March" out there!

I am over halfway through Bruce Smith's VIC 20 Machine Code and feel like I have read an expanded version of Chapter 3 in my VIC-20 Programmer's Reference Guide, which has been beneficial, but certainly not of the magnitude I was hoping for. (Note: I still learn best by reading from "dead tree" media.)

Once I have ruminated enough on VIC 20 Machine Code, I will contemplate what to read next based upon the excellent input I have received from you all, which I am most grateful for, noting that I may opt for the legendary Jim Butterfield's Machine Language on the Commodore 64, 128, and other Commodore Computers - Revised and Expanded Edition. (Please do correct me, however, to 100-percent if there is something better to read beforehand. )

OGM

Finally got wAx2 working last night. For some reason the .crt file I downloaded from GitHub was corrupted, which is why it wouldn't settle into VICE. (I've also experienced a similar problem with the manual PDF.) I ended up downloading the .eep and using cartconv to get it to work. And now...

... and now...?

... I have no words. I'm beyond impressed, beyond blown away, beyond happy. It's the thing I've always wanted for the VIC20, the thing I envied BBC Micro owners for: a built-in, fully-featured assembler. It's incredible. I can't express my delight, or my thanks to chysn, deeply enough.

Gosh.