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Here's a suggestion for a somewhat more compact HEX <-> DEC table:
Example for use:

Nice HEX to DEC solution! But I think I use this kind of chart exclusively to convert DEC to MSB quickly. Hex is seldom of use to me and added only based on feedback here.

I know I know. Almost everything in this book (from multiplying by 256 to screen positions) could be done with very simple math. I have found myself with a computer not present thinking of coding or explicating some old program I see in a manual.

Before you bark at me, remember: we are all using a 40 year old computer when modern technology is available in the palms of our hands. I'm not claiming any of this is logical!

No worries.

Jeff-20 wrote:[...] we are all using a 40 year old computer when modern technology is available in the palms of our hands. I'm not claiming any of this is logical!

Jeff, I am mostly reasoning about what is necessary when I take a VIC-20 to a demoparty *) and want to get along without the modern technology in direct access - because it's the VIC-20 I want to show to people. What is good to put into permanent documentation?

For example, the addresses of the joystick registers and the bits corresponding to the directions and fire either need to be written down or memorized. They're not self-evident from basic BASIC knowledge.

OTOH, screen codes can be found out by putting a char into the top-left corner and PEEKing address 7680. Likewise, PETSCII codes can be found out by doing a PRINT ASC("..."). That is already two huge tables which can be made redundant by simply asking the computer during coding! The "H+T technique" I'm using with VICMON is just a slightly more elaborate example.

Most of this boils down to declarative vs. procedural knowledge. Setting background and border colour by POKEing 36879,... is declarative knowledge, finding out a position in the middle of the screen with PRINT7680+22*11+10 is (mostly) procedural knowledge (you'd still need to memorize the screen start address corresponding to your RAM setup, 22 chars per row and 23 rows counted 0..22).

Greetings,

Michael

*) sadly enough, Revision 2020 in its original form was cancelled and instead done as streaming event, because of you-know-what-reason. And the installation of 2021 will face a similar fate.

Ok, after two rather vulgar drafts, I'm uploading a more thought-out revision: draft 3. I had time to really sit down and spend my time on it today. I included most of the input in this thread as well as some elements from our wiki. I also decreased the size by figuring out how I would actually use the book.

I'm still feel very unsure of the ML stuff, but I'm including it if I need it someday. I'm wondering if any of you find use in a binary-coded decimal conversion chart. Or other charts I may have overlooked.

Remember, it makes more sense if you look at it in a side-by-side layout as if the book were laid flat.
Link removed for new draft

This is a lovely little reference book!

Erratum: The example on page 3 is under the wrong table.

Getting better and better Jeff.

One thing that would be useful would be some tips on tools and techniques to preserve old tapes, disks and cartridges.

e.g.

Stopping auto load

Saving blocks of memory - Mike's thread

viewtopic.php?t=676&start=6

I've used draft 2 quite a few times over the last few weeks when making my easier version of The Mysterious Island, so thanks for making it available.

Pages 20 and 21 seem to have quite a bit of duplicated content.

Kweepa wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:25 am Erratum: The example on page 3 is under the wrong table.

Do you mean under the wrong column? It's a reminder of how to use the addition method of decoding hex. I think the chart above wouldn't need an example.

srowe wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:18 pm Pages 20 and 21 seem to have quite a bit of duplicated content.

You're right. It's leftover from draft 2. I'll continue to simplify.

Ian, that would be great information, but maybe outside the scope of a quick reference booklet. I'm also not confident I know how to communicate that stuff in an efficient way. Is there a minimal chart you might need to reference often in those tasks?

Jeff-20 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:26 pm

Kweepa wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:25 am Erratum: The example on page 3 is under the wrong table.

Do you mean under the wrong column? It's a reminder of how to use the addition method of decoding hex. I think the chart above wouldn't need an example.

Ah, I understand now.
I misunderstood because the example was two digit like the upper table.
Carry on!

Page 8 - needs an 8

Screen horizontal origin:
POKE 36864, PEEK(36B64) AND 128 OR X

Brilliant reference material.

In the table on page four, shouldn't the first column heading be "Row" or "Line" instead of "Column"?

I love how this is coming together. I'm finding it very useful.

...mathom...

Page 23 short cut for THEN should be T shift H

I had some time this week to work on a fourth draft (EDIT: link removed. See new version several posts below).

Incorporated a lot of your ideas, but I may have overlooked some yet. Still scanning for typos.

1. page 26- 33 useful to machine programmers?
2. pages 2-8 Does the lay-flat screen map work on two pages or would you prefer one page to save space? Should the $1000
3. Is the font large enough in the places needed to quickly scan?

I know this is dragging on forever, but I've only been able to revisit it for short moments, and I see major room for improvements every time! I had a few print on demand services in mind if anyone else wanted a hardcopy. Otherwise, I hope it's just PDF friendly if a newbie wants a quick guide.

Jeff-20 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:09 pm 1. page 26- 33 useful to machine programmers?

The charts on pages 26-27 and the one on page 30 are kind of redundant. I'd probably rather have these combined. One of them leaves out one-byte instructions, which seems like it would become an unwelcome feature. You can put the instruction size in the header with the addressing mode rather than in the opcode box, and it'll look less cluttered.

The information I mostly need to look up is cycles and register behavior. I hardly ever need to look up opcodes, and I never need to look up instruction size. Unfortunately, cycles and register behavior don't fit well on the same chart because you need to know addressing mode for cycles, but not for register behavior. The practical impact of this is that my favorite kind of 6502 chart is the big alphabetical chart-with-everything.

I have many old dead-tree 6502 books, and the 6502 chart in the VIC-20 Programmer's Reference Guide is about as good as these things get. First runner-up is Scanlon's 6502 Software Design. The downside of the P.R.G. is that Commodore crammed too many pages into a too-small comb binding, so it always feels like it's about to blow apart in my hands.

This means that for simple stuff like color codes and PETSCII and character codes, I'm turning to the regular user manual often. Its spiral binding makes it easy to use, and keep open on my desk. But your charts are laid out way better, with actual bit patterns and hex. These things--and the memory map--are going to be way more valuable than the 6502 stuff, even if I hardly ever touch BASIC. The addition of 6502 instructions on your PETSCII chart is inspired. I don't know what I'm going to use that for yet, but it just feels insanely great.